Interview With Health Freedom Fighter Jamel Holley

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Any elected official or candidate running for office that touches on removal of Religious Exemptions to vaccination, touches on taking away parental choice, or touches on taking away freedom of choice will have major issues being elected or reelected. There is a political revolution that is taking place right now and if those individuals want to remain in office or enter office they better not touch upon these freedoms or they will be in very big danger. They can hear me now or they can believe me later.” – New Jersey Assemblyman Jamel Holley


February 7, 2020 — I’ve been running a Health Freedom Blog for 10 months, but it wasn’t until the morning of my long-scheduled interview with the amazing Jamel Holley that my blog was hacked. The New Jersey Assemblyman’s campaign website is no stranger to similar “technical difficulties” ever since Holley began ramping up his challenge to Big Pharma.

If the donation link at the top of this report doesn’t work, please manually type in the URL that appears in the following picture:

I strongly urge everyone to please give whatever you can to Jamel Holley. After interviewing him I have no doubt that he is 100% committed to fighting across the entire nation for #HealthFreedom & #VaccineChoice. While he is not a parent himself, it is as if he has adopted all of our children in this battle. The passion Holley speaks with is infectious. He is a rising Health Freedom Fighter championing our cause, and what I find most exciting are his discussions on building “Urban Health Alliances.”

“We are discussing how to develop an Urban Health Alliance to focus on educating the African American and Hispanic communities because a lot of these communities are not informed about the dangers of vaccines.” Holley said they plan to bring this message to churches, places of worship, community health and civil rights organizations to make sure Black and Latino communities have access to the real science surrounding vaccination. This is a game changer folks; it is an outgrowth of what Curtis Cost began at The Harlem Vaccine Forum which was so incredibly feared by the likes of Peter Hotez and CBS News. Jamel Holley and RFK Jr. may prove to be an extremely dangerous duo to the status quo.

“Wherever there needs to be a voice to protect parents and their families I will be there to lend my support to this cause,” reassures Holley.

The Assemblyman called me as he was traveling back from Connecticut’s State Capitol after the February 5th Health Freedom protest, where he was one of the keynote speakers. “Several hundred people were at the Capitol today. It was very electrifying; the parents are extremely engaged, more engaged now than ever to bring more people out…This is a political revolutionary one issue movement that I believe is going to take place in every state in this country.”

Holley made sure to clearly express his disdain for the term “anti-vaxxer.”

“Not one parent that I’ve spoken to is an anti-vaxxer. That word should not be used to describe a parent who birthed a child. These parents are good people who want to make their own choice and protect their religious freedom…Government has no place, no entrance into that conversation.”

The Battle in New Jersey

For those who don’t know the specifics of what went down in New Jersey, there was a bill to repeal the Religious Exemption to vaccination that was missing one vote in the Senate to pass. To get that vote a deal was cut with Republican Senator Declan O’Scanlon to allow the Religious Exemption to vaccination in private schools, but not public schools. Holley was already voting no to the bill – long before this amendment was proposed – but when this came on the table he began actively lobbying his colleagues to join him in voting no.

“We do not need to rewind the clock back. We are in 2020 now and if there is going to be equality for all there needs to be equality for all,” said Holley.

Holley was adamant to his Democratic colleagues that they could not vote in support of a bill that allowed a White Republican Senator to segregate children based on income, zip-code and ultimately based on race. This amendment, meant to save the bill, ended up being its fatal flaw; Holley calls it “The Declan Segregation Amendment.”

“The conversation around repealing the Religious Exemption started out as a public health issue for all children, but then it became about segregating children. That’s when I became very vocal,” said Holley.

Holley gained enough resistance in the Assembly to stop the bill from moving forward, but he couldn’t have done it without the parent advocates and protesters. “Ultimately the bill failed because of the thousands of parents who emailed, telephoned, protested outside the state house and actively educated legislators When you are an elected official you are not supposed to take things personal, you are supposed to hear things out. I heard parents tell me about their children who were perfectly healthy before they were vaccinated. It was easy for me to make an informed decision.”

Conway’s Criticism of Holley

I asked Holley about comments from Assemblyman Herb Conway who is chair of the Health Committee in New Jersey. Conway said that Holley is “not making any friends” with his position on vaccination.

“When I was elected,” Holley told me, “I wasn’t elected to make friends. But to the contrary I have very great friends in Trenton (New Jersey’s Capitol). I’ve been a staffer since I was 20 years old in Trenton; the first African American Assemblyman elected to the 20th District 15 years ago. A lot of these members weren’t there when I was a staffer; I’ve seen them come and I’ve seen them go. If one chooses not to be my friend over a position I choose to take, then so be it.”

In addition to this Holley was just recently reappointed to be a member of the Assembly Health Committee yet again – even with his current outspoken position against vaccine mandates. That means the Speaker of the Assembly made a conscious choice to give that appointment back to Holley regardless. So is Holley really lacking friends in Trenton?

Sweeney’s Alleged Comments

I also asked Holley about a recent headline that claimed Senate President Stephen Sweeney was blaming Black lawmakers in New Jersey for putting children in danger by voting against repealing the Religious Exemption to vaccination.

“I have no response to that at all because I can’t confirm that he actually said that. He did not say that to me. What I can tell you is that I made my concern very vocal to both parties and leadership. I am not opposed to providing some level of medical choice to those that need it, but I am not going to participate in removing Religious Exemptions, parental choice, or pushing a Big Pharma agenda. My agenda is for the people of New Jersey. My vote affects the entire state.”

Looking to the Future

Right now it seems there is no appetite for vaccine mandates in New Jersey, according to Holley.

“This bill (to repeal the Religious Exemption to vaccination) is on hold, though it has been reintroduced. There was a similar bill that would allow children 14-years-old and up to vaccinate without parental knowledge or consent, but that bill was quickly withdrawn. I don’t think the will is there to pass these types of bills right now at all. The legislators I have been talking to, who I won’t name at this time, from what they are telling me believe the will for this issue to be voted on is not there. I do believe there is a will for reasonable discussion and debate around the topic of vaccination.”

The political revolution Holley talks about is not about Democrats, Republicans, right-wing, left-wing, divisions or divides; it is simply about the freedom to choose what does and does not go into our bodies and our children’s bodies:

“I’ve been in state government for 20 years. I’ve never worked more closely with Republicans on any other issue than I have on vaccines. This is not a Democrat or Republican issue; it is a choice issue…I am very inspired by the advocacy and the will power of the parents along with their children because they were out there (protesting) with their parents. That means something! And as governmental leaders who are going to make decisions for them we don’t need to listen to inside politics, we need to listen to the parental conversation that is happening.”

Jamel Holley speaking in Connecticut on Feb 5, 2020

African American Health Freedom Fighters

Frederick Douglass, Dick Gregory, Jamel Holley and beyond!

January 19, 2020 — As we celebrate the life and sacrifice of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. I want to draw attention to all of the brave African American Health Freedom Fighters throughout our history and with us today. While many on this list will be perceived as controversial that is irrelevant: if you are African American and you fight, or have fought, for Health Freedom and Vaccine Choice, you belong on this list.

(1) Frederick Douglass

I first learned of Frederick Douglass’ opposition to mandatory vaccination from the great Mary Holland. Douglass is, of course, the legendary 19th century African American abolitionist and civil rights leader. Very few people know that Douglass was staunchly opposed to mandatory vaccination. He noted that many who were vaccinated for small pox still died of small pox, so what was the point of the vaccination?! In 1882 Douglass told a reporter that mandatory vaccines encroached on people’s liberty and freedom of choice.

(2) Jamel Holley

I had never heard of Assemblyman Jamel Holley until January 10, 2020 when he boldly stood against the corrupt New Jersey Democratic party boss Stephen Sweeney. Holley opposed a bill that would have made the religious exemption to vaccination illegal in New Jersey public schools yet still allowed in private religious schools. He opposed the bill as segregationist and racist, which it clearly was. Not only did he oppose the bill, he lobbied his fellow African American legislators and got them to oppose it along with him. Currently Holley is standing firmly not only with the Black Community, but with the Health Freedom Movement as a whole, and my contacts are assuring me that Holley is the real-deal when it comes to Health Freedom and Vaccine Choice. The opportunistic, Big Pharma shill Stephen Sweeney is taking the racist position that Black legislators in New Jersey led by Holley are hurting children by not segregating them; a position that has no evidence to support it. This battle in New Jersey is now ground-zero for for America’s Health Freedom Movement in 2020. Jamel Holley is a brave man who needs and deserves all of our support!

(3) Curtis Cost

Curtis Cost is by far the most important African American Health Freedom Fighter alive and active today. His 1991 book “Vaccines are Dangerous” was the first book penned by an African American on the topic of vaccine safety. Cost has been educating thousands of people for decades on the safety and efficacy of vaccines and continues his invaluable activism today. His controversial Harlem Vaccine Forum was far and away the most important Health Freedom event of 2019, and he ended the year with the very successful Great Harlem Vaccine Debate. Cost is in the midst of planning resistance and protests to Oprah Winfrey’s Big Pharma sponsored vaccine promotional tour.

(4) Dick Gregory

The late, great comedian and activist Dick Gregory may be the man responsible for popularizing and spreading the vegan lifestyle within the African American community. Gregory would often appear publicly with Dr. Gary Null to discuss issues of health and healing. While Gregory didn’t always get all of the facts correct when he spoke on matters of health and science, it didn’t matter; that is not what made him so incredibly important. If it wasn’t for him hundreds of thousands, if not millions of African Americans would have never even heard that a vegetarian lifestyle was a healthy option and that vaccination posed immediate dangers. The last few years of his life Gregory had grown very bitter, and when looking at the world around us I can understand why. But I don’t remember Gregory just for the last few years of his life; his legacy is far too powerful for that as he has awoken many people and saved many lives.

(5) Virstyne Henry

Virstyne Henry is a vaccine-injured Health Freedom Activist. She has been researching the dangers of vaccines ever since she learned her asthma – which she thought was from birth – didn’t arise until after she was given a DTaP vaccine as an infant. Upon realizing this she researched the topic veraciously. Henry participated as a panelist in The Great Harlem Vaccine Debate in December of 2019. She continues to pursue all types of truths on where you can catch her interviewing many guests on a wide range of topics, especially on the safety and efficacy of vaccines.

(6) Nancy Turner Banks

Dr. Nancy Turner Banks MD is author of “AIDS, Opium, Diamonds and Empire,” and is a graduate of Harvard Medical School. Trained in surgery, obstetrics, gynecology, and gynecological oncology, she practiced general obstetrics and gynecology for twenty-five years. In addition, she earned an MBA in finance. Banks is an extremely outspoken critic of the CDC’s vaccine schedule for children.

(7) Minister Louis Farrakhan

The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan is nothing if he is not controversial. When his name is mentioned the very first thought to all who devour mainstream media is “antisemitism.” Regardless of these controversies I know for a fact Minister Farrakhan is 100% correct on his stance regarding vaccination as well as fluoridation. Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam (NOI) have helped many truths regarding health and healing to access and assist the Black Community. There are at least two other members of NOI that need to be mentioned here as well.

(8) Tony Muhammad

Minister Tony Muhammad has been fighting to get the truth out regarding the dangers of vaccines for years. He has protested in front of the CDC Headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia as well as lectured and given multiple interviews on the topic. To quote him directly from the speech he gave in front of CDC Headquarters: “The Pharmaceutical industry is very powerful. They are the richest lobby group in the world. Minister Farrakhan’s love is so deep for Black and oppressed people that no forces on earth can get him to sell our people out. He loves the truth and is a warner to our people.”

(9) Rizza Islam

Rizza Islam is a young NOI brother who speaks very clearly and boldly, and when it comes to vaccination he pulls no punches stating there is a plot to kill and disable Black men through the childhood vaccination schedule. As wild as that may sound to many people, the movie VAXXED uncovered that the CDC has known for years that the MMR vaccine given at 18 months of age results in an autism rate 340% higher in African American boys than in any other group. Rizza Islam is able to reach many Black youth regarding the dangers of vaccination, and he recognizes that fighting forced vaccination is a universal struggle for all regardless of race, ethnicity, social status, or class.

(10) Sheila Ealey

Sheila Ealey became internationally known from the movie VAXXED, where she was featured along side her autistic son Temple Ealey. She told her story of how her son was accidentally given 2 MMR shots at the same time. From that point on her boy was never the same again. Ealey has been a strong, passionate voice for Health Freedom and Vaccine Choice ever since. She has traveled the country and the world to help educate and advocate on the dangers of vaccines. To hear this Warrior Mom speak is a true spiritual experience!

(11) Dr. Phil Valentine

I first heard of the Reverend Dr. Phil Valentine at The Harlem Vaccine Forum. He is extremely knowledgeable and has helped hundreds of African American families receive religious exemptions to vaccination in New York (before the religious exemption law was repealed). Valentine said his exemptions were challenged in court three times by the Department of Education, and all three times he won. When he went to the courts to receive the transcripts for those three cases either the court transcripts had been sealed or lost, according to Valentine. He has a powerful message that covers many topics, including child sex trafficking where he gives a little praise to President Donald Trump for combating the horrifying practice.

(12) Dead Prez

Stic Man & M1 form the Revolutionary Hip-Hop duo known as “Dead Prez.” While they have never explicitly spoken out against mandatory vaccination it is clearly & loudly implied through the lyrics in their songs and the vegan lifestyles they choose to live. In their song “Be Healthy” they say, Let your food be your medicine, no excederin, strictly herbs that I raise in the sun ’cause I got melanin…They say you are what you eat, so I strive to eat healthy. My goal in life is not to be rich or wealthy, ’cause true wealth comes from good health and wise ways, we got to start takin’ better care of ourselves. In their youth the duo would rhyme about atheism and Marxist Revolution, however as they matured I have been told they have gone deep into Eastern Mysticism exploring and expanding their spiritual quests.

(13) Charles Barron

Charles Barron is a former Black Panther Party member and a current state Assemblyman representing Brooklyn. He is a member of the Assembly Health Committee in Albany, NY. When the religious exemption to vaccination was up for repeal Barron voted NO in the Health Committee and NO on the floor of the assembly. His words in the Health Committee were clear and powerful. Unfortunately he did not lobby other New York Democrats to join him in voting NO, the way Jamel Holley did and continues to do in New Jersey.

(14) Rodneyse Bichotte

Rodneyse Bichotte is an Assemblywoman representing Brooklyn and, like Barron, is also a member of the Assembly Health Committee. She also voted NO to repealing the religious exemption to vaccination in both the committee and floor votes. Bichotte stated on the floor of the Assembly that she had been given the MMR vaccine as a child yet still got measles twice after that. She reminded everyone that when the HIV/AIDS epidemic first came on the scene it was wrongly blamed on Haitians, just as unvaccinated children were being blamed for spreading measles today; both of those claims are false and there is no evidence to support either of them. I only wish that the Assemblywoman will take the next, natural step of actively seeking support for Health Freedom from her fellow Democratic colleagues in Albany.


I am sure there are many important Health Freedom Fighters I left out that belong on this list.

NY Schools Targeting Black & Latino Kids for HIV-PrEP Drugs

Curtis Cost Has Inside Information

January 3, 2020 — Curtis Cost, author of Vaccines are Dangerous has information coming from sources inside the New York State Education Department stating that PrEP drugs for HIV are currently being prescribed to children without parental knowledge or consent, and that Black & Latino communities are being targeted.

This isn’t surprising, and it is technically – barely – “legal” by the skin of King Cuomo’s teeth. Cost messaged me the below information on New Years Eve of 2019, which helps to confirm all of my reporting on this issue over the past year, including:

Vaccine That Causes Infertility Being Pushed on Black & Latino Girls 

Bronx Corruption Targets Black & Latino Children

Cuomo Vaxxing & Drugging Kids With No Parental Knowledge

Message from Curtis Cost – 12/31/19

New York schools are ALREADY giving children HIV drugs without parental knowledge or consent!!!

I was speaking with a person this morning who told me her sources within the New York State public school system were saying that the schools have already started giving children HIV drugs without parental consent or knowledge!

She said this was being done especially in poor Latino communities where the level of English is limited as well as in poor African-American communities. She offered to write something about this so long as she and her sources could remain anonymous. In my book: Vaccines Are Dangerous, The first chapter is devoted to why the HIV drugs are so dangerous and even deadly! I know very well the horrific implications of giving this drug to children.

As fate would have it, as soon as I got off the phone with her, I checked my email and to my utter shock Fed Up Democrat just posted a story on exactly what we were talking about! His report reveals that children in New York State are in fact being given HIV drugs and others without parental consent or knowledge in the absence of any law authorizing this!  

I did not plan on writing anything like this on New Year’s Eve, but this is so explosive and important that I felt I had to put this out immediately. Please share this with your networks.

Cuomo Vaxxing & Drugging Kids With No Parental Knowledge

Vaccine Debate in Harlem, NYC 2

The Great Harlem Vaccine Debate

Part 2

Are vaccines effective?

December 28, 2019 – The Great Harlem Vaccine Debate – organized by Curtis Cost – occurred on December 15th and consisted of 4 questions that were actively debated:

Question 1 – Are Vaccines Safe?

Question 2 – Are vaccines effective? (This report)

Question 3 – Can you raise a healthy child without vaccines? (report still to come)

Question 4 – Who should decide if a child is vaccinated, parents or the government? (report still to come)

I have previously published a full report detailing question 1. This report will cover in detail question 2 – Are vaccines effective?

As previously mentioned in Part 1 of this series, the pro-vaccine side of the debate consisted of Ankh Imhotep (Community Activist), Asar Imhotep (Computer Scientist), and Dr. Vanammee (PhD Biomedicine). The pro-Health Freedom side consisted of Del Bigtree (TV/Movie producer, journalist), James Lyons-Weiler (PhD Biomedicine), Virstyne Henry (Health Freedom Activist) and Danielle Gail (Parent Activist).


The first major point made on efficacy came from the pro-vaccine side of the debate. Ankh Imhotep pointed to as proof vaccines are effective. He said that vaccines provide protection for the African American Community; if we don’t use vaccines, than what “effective cure” does the other side of the debate have to offer against pathogens? Imhotep yelled this out quite loudly and aggressively.

James Lyons-Weiler responded for the pro-Health Freedom side that there is no doubt if you put an antigen into someone’s body in sufficient dosage it will cause an immune response. However the massive amounts of vaccines we are putting into individuals has “changed the adaptive landscape” of the body and the immune system. Weiler pointed to DTaP as being a “failed vaccine program” as it no longer stops transmission of the pertussis infection.

I need to interject here – Weiler’s point is a true, accepted fact, admitted by everyone who pays attention to the most recent science including Dr. Stanley Plotkin, who is considered “The Godfather” of the modern day vaccination program. Plotkin invented and patented the Rubella vaccine that is used in the MMR. In a sworn deposition Plotkin has admitted that the acellular pertussis portion of the DTaP vaccine allows those vaccinated with it to still be carriers of pertussis (whooping cough) in their lungs. The vaccinated carrier does not show any symptoms of pertussis but can still transmit it to others; a very dangerous situation especially for newborns and infants. You can watch Plotkin admit this at the following link: (go to 24:30)

Weiler went on to say because of vaccines, modern medicine has not looked for new treatments to infections such as pertussis because it is assumed to be taken care of by the vaccine. However that is no longer the case, and vaccine failure may place us in a very scary situation.

HPV may be one of these scary situations. Weiler stated after the HPV vaccination program began we started to find rare types of HPV rising in frequency, and girls as young as 24 who received the HPV vaccine started to get cervical cancer. Prior to the vaccine this was unheard of. “We think we can control nature,” said Weiler, but we are facing the frightening possibility of our “technologies becoming useless.”

Dr. Vanammee responded for the pro-side by going back to the first debate question of are vaccines safe. She stated that the DTP vaccine has been shown to be dangerous and even deadly, and because of this in America that vaccine is no longer in use. It was replaced with the DTaP vaccine and this is proof that safety is taken into consideration. She did mention that the DTP vaccine is still used in the developing world and perhaps it should be replaced with the DTaP, however she acknowledged that she was not qualified to make such a determination.

Ank Imhotep jumped in and referred to James Lyons-Weiler as an “anti-vaxxer” and reiterated the point that at the end of the day they have nothing to offer to replace vaccination.

Weiler responded for the pro-Health Freedom side by saying, “Do not call me an anti-vaxxer. I am a vaccine-risk aware American.” He continued discussing the safety aspect of the debate by saying he feels currently vaccines are not safe, but that they can be made safer. Our tax dollars go to funding vaccine research and hardly anything else. The National Institute of Health (NIH) should be studying how to respond appropriately to vaccine injuries, according to Weiler. He gave the example that if an adult has a seizure, an ambulance would come and EMT’s would perform a medical procedure on the individual suffering from the seizure. If a baby has a seizure after a vaccine the pediatrician sends the child home and does nothing for it. This is ridiculous, and money and resources need to be invested in how to treat vaccine injuries, according to Weiler.

Asar Imhotep on the pro-vaccine side continued on the safety argument by making an analogy comparing vaccines to air bags in cars. Air bags can cause harm to people when they go off, but the harm they cause is so much less than the harm they prevent. Ankh Imhotep made the point that he and his children, and the majority of the audience, are all living examples that vaccines are safe and effective. His children were all vaccinated and none of them got measles or mumps. Ankh Imhotep said if we were in Africa right now, we would all be begging and crying to get vaccines.

Del Bigtree responded for the pro-Health Freedom by first addressing safety one last time. He said safety of a vaccine can only be determined by comparing it to an inert placebo test, which has never been done for any of the vaccines on the CDC’s childhood schedule. He then referred to the failed DTaP vaccine reading directly from Boston University’s School of Public Health peer reviewed journal publication titled, “Resurgence of Whooping Cough May Owe to Vaccine’s Inability to Prevent Infections.” Bigtree went on to cite how the measles vaccine is capable of causing a vaccine-strain of measles (strain A) (See reports here & here for more information on vaccine strain measles). Bigtree ended by saying, “Many of these vaccines are not effective.”

Dr. Vanammee responded for the pro-vaccine side saying it is true that some vaccines can cause the disease that they are supposed to vaccinate for (such as polio or measles vaccine) however the numbers are extremely low. Safety of a vaccine has to be considered against the deaths caused by the diseases, not by comparing it to a saline placebo. I need to interject here – I think we want to consider *BOTH* of these when making safety decisions; not one or the other.

The pro-vaccine side continued by saying the HPV-9 vaccine is “100% effective against getting pre-cancerous cells” and that “the HPV vaccine cannot cause cancer.” They were reading from a report but I did not hear the source given. It sounded like a scientific journals publication that was funded by the pharmaceutical industry.

James Lyons-Weiler responded for the pro-Health Freedom side addressing the analogy of airbags in cars. Airbags are safe because we have a National Safety Board that makes sure car manufacturers produce a safe product. We don’t have anything like that for vaccines. The CDC’s mandate is to promote the use and sale of vaccines, so they are incapable of monitoring vaccine safety, according to Weiler. He then responded that the HPV vaccine is effective against preventing infections of HPV types 1 through 9, but there are 120 other strains, and many of those strains are rare, deadly strains. The vaccine actually causes rarer, more lethal types of HPV to sweep in. The net effect seems to be devastating increases in HPV-related cancers. Weiler recommended everyone read the phenomenal book The HPV Vaccine on Trial which has all of the scientific citations backing up this claim.

Del Bigtree added that the data coming from the World Health Organization (WHO) is biased, and cannot be trusted. He said he needs to see independent studies. (This indicated to me the data sourced on the HPV vaccine by the pro-vaccine side was coming from WHO).

Ankh Imhotep then said, “So let’s do the independent study!”

There were loud applause to this and Del Bigtree jumped up and hugged Imhotep for making this statement. After that Ankh Imhotep referenced the Institute of Medicine (IOM) as an independent scientific body that had reviewed over 12,000 peer reviewed studies in the medical literature to determine that vaccines were safe and effective.

When Ankh Imhotep was done Del Bigtree walked up to the laptop and projector with a “cat that ate the canary” smile on his face. To me it seemed as though Bigtree was quite thrilled that the IOM’s science had just been referenced.

Bigtree agreed with Imhotep that the IOM was an independent scientific body – perhaps the most respected in the world. He stated that the IOM had searched all the peer reviewed studies across the globe and found that there has never been a study comparing vaccinated children to their unvaccinated peers. The IOM also concluded the cumulative effects of every vaccine in the CDC’s schedule have never been studied. Lastly the IOM concluded that the science does not exist to determine whether or not the DTaP vaccine can cause autism.

After this Curtis Cost asked the crowd to vote on whether they felt vaccines were effective. The majority of the crowd clapped the loudest for, “No, vaccines are not effective.”

***Stay tuned – next report from The Great Harlem Vaccine Debate will deal with the Question Can you raise a healthy child without vaccines?

Harlem Vaccine Debate Controversy Continues

Both sides are pissed off!

December 20, 2019 — Pro-vaccine advocates continue to fire shots at the Vaccine Choice advocates they just debated on December 15th. Thousands of people continue to watch the controversy unfold on internet interviews of participants in The Great Harlem Vaccine Debate. Health Freedom Advocate Virstyne Henry and Parent Activist Danielle Gail were interviewed by Saneter. The two women are pictured above and the interviews of them can be found at the end of this report.

The “Amen Ra Squad,” which argued the pro-vaccine side of the debate headed by Ankh Imhotep and Asar Imhotep, has been vocally upset about the way the debate transpired. Many comments have been flying, especially from Ankh Imhotep. The Amen Ra Squad felt they were “set-up” in the debate and treated unfairly.

I was at the debate and I do not believe anyone was treated unfairly. There were many more Vaccine Choice & Health Freedom folk in the audience at the debate than there were pro-vaccine supporters; that is true. But as Virstyne Henry says in the below linked Youtube interview with Saneter, whose fault was that?!? They didn’t bring their people – we did!

Parent advocate Danielle Gail was asked by Saneter what she had heard after the debate that “pissed her off.” She stated that Ankh Imhotep had been saying, “We won we won we won!” like a child who had actually just lost. That was not to say either side was victorious because the goal wasn’t winning or losing, but rather to exchange information.

When Virstyne Henry was asked what “pissed her off” she was most upset with those who racialized the debate claiming black people don’t have the luxury of saying there are government and medical conspiracies against them. She also stated that after the debate there was one member from the pro-vaccine side who told her he had never heard many of the facts presented by the Vaccine Choice debaters, and he planned to look into them further.

“That must have been Asar,” said Saneter.

I agree, it must have been. Asar Imhotep was by far the most impressive debater on the pro-vaccine side of the debate, and I quote and paraphrase him at length in my reporting. Asar seemed to be the most open-minded individual on the pro-vaccine panel.

Watch the interviews with Saneter below (two of them).

And make sure to read my ongoing coverage of the debate at the following links. There was too much information to cover in one report, so I am breaking it up into a series based off of the 4 questions that were debated:

Question 1 – Are Vaccines Safe?

Question 2 – Are vaccines effective? (report coming soon)

Question 3 – Can you raise a healthy child without vaccines? (report still to come)

Question 4 – Who should decide if a child is vaccinated, parents or the government? (report still to come)


Saneter Interviews:

Part 1 Virstyne & Daniele Clap Back At The Amen Ra Squad

Part 2

Danielle Gail is part of The Family Freedom Alliance, which you can follow and join at

The Great Harlem Vaccine Debate

Sunday, December 15, 2019

Buy Tickets HERE!

Doors open at 2pm

If you can’t come to The Great Harlem Vaccine Debate, you can watch it streaming live on December 15, 2019, starting at 3pm.

The Harlem Vaccine Forum is being followed up by The Great Harlem Vaccine Debate on December 15, 2019. The event is organized by Curtis Cost and will be featuring:

Del Bigtree

Dr. Larry Palevsky

James Lyons-Weiler, PhD

Rita Palma

and many more…

Curtis Cost is a crucial Health Freedom activist in NYC. The way his last event was attacked by the Mainstream Media is a clear indication he is headed in the right direction to bring Medical Freedom back to New York

I have interviewed Curtis Cost, Del Bigtree, Virstyne Henry and a mother named Danielle about The Great Harlem Vaccine Debate, and much more. Read those interviews at the following links:

Del Bigtree Interview

Curtis Cost Interview

Virstyne Henry & Danielle Interview

Women in The Great Harlem Vaccine Debate

Read Part 1 of my reporting on the Debate HERE

Danielle Gail, parent activist: “This is not a white thing, this is not a black thing; it is a human race thing, not anything else. We need to stick together. I feel like racism is all about keeping the people weak.

Virstyne, Health Freedom Activist: “I call it the ‘Once black people find out about it it’s over for them” theory.


December 12, 2019 — I interviewed two of the women who will be on the Health Freedom side of The Great Harlem Vaccine Debate on Sunday, December 15th. One is a mother and the other is a Health Freedom Advocate. One is black the other is white. They come from different backgrounds and life experiences but both have a passion for exposing the truth as they have come to know it regarding vaccination.

They will be participating in The Great Harlem Vaccine Debate pairing up against counterparts who believe they’re Health Freedom information is wrong; it will likely be mom vs. mom and Health Freedom Advocate vs. Pro-vaccine Advocate.

“I had a mini-debate against two of the people who will be on the pro-vaccine side of the debate recently,” said Virsytne in our phone interview. “The vibe I got from them was that this is a white person’s problem, but it’s an every-person’s problem. They are buying into the propaganda that so-called ‘anti-vaxxers’ are racists and ‘killing black people’ by not vaccinating; which is just nonsense.”

Virstyne elaborated on this point more:

“A lot of black people aren’t into science. We are brainwashed into thinking basketball and rap are the ways out of the hood…I’m from L.A; I grew up in South Central. I would get my hair done in the hood where most of the clients were pimps, gangsters and prostitutes. They were all very intelligent people. They may not have been formally educated but they are not stupid.” 

Most Black people instinctively know that the government and big corporations are not to be trusted, so, as Virstyne’s theory goes; “Once black people find out about it it’s over for them.

This is precisely why ABC News took 3 weeks to write a vicious attack on Robert F. Kennedy Jr. after The Harlem Vaccine Forum; the mainstream news media (and their Big Pharma master) is scared to death of the African American community realizing the dangers and damage posed and caused by vaccination; including the fact that there is a 340% increase in incidents of Autism in African American boys when they are given the MMR vaccine at 18 months of age. That data was illegally hidden and destroyed by the CDC, and was first brought to light in the documentary movie VAXXED.

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Instinct is how Danielle describes her realization that vaccination was not to be trusted.

“It was just a gut feeling. It started the first year I was a teacher. I got a letter from the health department saying I had to get some sort of shot to keep working in the school. My initial reaction was “Hell no!” So I didn’t do it. Nothing came of it, and years later when I was pregnant I just naturally questioned vaccination. I eventually talked to a friend who doesn’t vaccinate her kids and she pointed me in the direction of Dr. Palvesky.”

Dr. Larry Palevsky is a pediatrician who will also be part of the Pro-Health Freedom side of The Great Vaccine Debate on Sunday, December 15. I asked Danielle about what her plans are in terms of educating her children now that the religious exemption to vaccination has been repealed here in New York.

“I already wanted to home school my children even before the religious exemption was repealed. I don’t believe that the school system provides a proper education to begin with.”

Does Danielle and her family have any plans to leave New York?

“If things continue to be corrupt, yes. Eventually they want to force home-schooled children to vaccinate as well. I don’t want to have any part of it, it’s a disgrace to humanity.”

Join Virstyne Henry, Danielle, Del Bigtree, Dr. Larry Palevsky, Curtis Cost, Rita Palma and many more at The Great Harlem Vaccine Debate on December 15 at 2pm. Purchase tickets at the following link:

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